1.for reasions i will make clear later the relationship between marxism and religion has long been of interest,and problematic for me.
2.what follows is certainly impressionistic,i make little claim for what i am about to write.it might be seen as thinking aloud and i hope thinking is allowed without always having to drawer any particular let alone any firm conclusion.let me say here that i have found the founders,and moderators of this site very welcoming and tolerant-it is awpace which in my opinion should be rejoiced in and not abused.
3.my thoughts are at best tentative,though they refer to my own experience,reading qand understanding.i suppose they form a preliminary sketch,though i dont think in academic terms they form an abstract which i understand to be abrief summary of an already considered,elaborated,demonstrated and maybe proven thesis.
4.but then the world i inhabit and those who hqave philosophised about it have rendered it a much more relative and provisional place than at the time of marx.perhaps it was neitzsche who planted explosives under such certainty at least in politics and philosphy.
5.to put my main idea at its most succinct,i consider marx's view of religion extremely problematic,and that rather than being resolved in virtually any way this remains the case today.i also consider that this problematic raises a string of important questions that go well beyond me.
6.to indicate merely a selection,it raises questions of morality and ethics,the valuation and understanding of human life and being human,the role of the sacred.in an age when religion appears to be in resurgence within a perspective of combined and uneven cultural development,this raises major political questions and challenges some of marx's starting points.in rejecting marx on religion out# of hand offers and opportunity to reject marx and marxism entirely.yet it also seems to me that a crasss and accepting reading of marx at another ofers an excuse for a combination of crass ranting that betrays personal hurt and alienation along with a condemnation of most of the people of the world most of the time.
7.of course a lot of this starts from misquotation of the classic 1quote about religion compumded by a rush to an easy misunderstanding.i will neither quote nor misquote the reference to opium of the people but simply refer to it.at best it is a powerful analogy,but like all analogy they open up new resonances without precision or exactitude.the reference to opium is soon followed by a description of religion as the heart of aheartless world.anotehr pwerful and poetic and imprecise analogy. a superficial reading sees the heartless world in which religion is rendered empty and meaningless.analogies are usually if not always at least double edged sword.in this case the other edge might be that in qan otherwise heartless world,religion is a heart,a real beating heart which may or not be meaningful.
8.then of course,it might be explained by human alienation in class societies over both time and space,but it would still need to be understood differentially across time and space in different societies at different times,even oif there are common elements such as the displacement by alienation of ourselves and our understanding of ourselves.
9.religion and both seperately and together psychology might be meqans of explaining as well as elaborating what it is to be human.we would also need to explore notions of human interiority,human nature and philosophicalunderstdfnings of the self as particlar idniodidualsand as an abstract category.
10.it seems to me that religion needs detailed explanation in aworld in which idealogy,fundamentalism,secularism,notions of religiowsity and a lote else seem to move and change like tectonic plates,sometimes overlapping,colliding,contradicting.
11.i would also want to add here to the ingredients qan element which is both personal and socially shared.one of the ways in understood or rather undesratnd my own spiritual journey is in relacing describing my own development as away from religion,as organised and hierarchical to a spiritual path of individual discovery of gteh sacred aned divine.this is a concession to atheist and a marxist attitude to religion,which i considered both a wheeze and a discovery but in the end a failed resolution of setting faith aside doubt aside materialist politics.now i discover that many describe themselves followiong a spiritual path or journey rather than a religion,recognising that this in turn might be another expression of alienation in capitalist class society in whicdh we are oppressively individuated,and our interiors opened to exploitation.
12.n3ext i intend to describe an impressionistic thumbnail sketched view of the relationship of a number of marxists and their intellectual predeccessors before exploring some of the personal meanings for myself.
-to be continued-
lost
25/03/2011
2.what follows is certainly impressionistic,i make little claim for what i am about to write.it might be seen as thinking aloud and i hope thinking is allowed without always having to drawer any particular let alone any firm conclusion.let me say here that i have found the founders,and moderators of this site very welcoming and tolerant-it is awpace which in my opinion should be rejoiced in and not abused.
3.my thoughts are at best tentative,though they refer to my own experience,reading qand understanding.i suppose they form a preliminary sketch,though i dont think in academic terms they form an abstract which i understand to be abrief summary of an already considered,elaborated,demonstrated and maybe proven thesis.
4.but then the world i inhabit and those who hqave philosophised about it have rendered it a much more relative and provisional place than at the time of marx.perhaps it was neitzsche who planted explosives under such certainty at least in politics and philosphy.
5.to put my main idea at its most succinct,i consider marx's view of religion extremely problematic,and that rather than being resolved in virtually any way this remains the case today.i also consider that this problematic raises a string of important questions that go well beyond me.
6.to indicate merely a selection,it raises questions of morality and ethics,the valuation and understanding of human life and being human,the role of the sacred.in an age when religion appears to be in resurgence within a perspective of combined and uneven cultural development,this raises major political questions and challenges some of marx's starting points.in rejecting marx on religion out# of hand offers and opportunity to reject marx and marxism entirely.yet it also seems to me that a crasss and accepting reading of marx at another ofers an excuse for a combination of crass ranting that betrays personal hurt and alienation along with a condemnation of most of the people of the world most of the time.
7.of course a lot of this starts from misquotation of the classic 1quote about religion compumded by a rush to an easy misunderstanding.i will neither quote nor misquote the reference to opium of the people but simply refer to it.at best it is a powerful analogy,but like all analogy they open up new resonances without precision or exactitude.the reference to opium is soon followed by a description of religion as the heart of aheartless world.anotehr pwerful and poetic and imprecise analogy. a superficial reading sees the heartless world in which religion is rendered empty and meaningless.analogies are usually if not always at least double edged sword.in this case the other edge might be that in qan otherwise heartless world,religion is a heart,a real beating heart which may or not be meaningful.
8.then of course,it might be explained by human alienation in class societies over both time and space,but it would still need to be understood differentially across time and space in different societies at different times,even oif there are common elements such as the displacement by alienation of ourselves and our understanding of ourselves.
9.religion and both seperately and together psychology might be meqans of explaining as well as elaborating what it is to be human.we would also need to explore notions of human interiority,human nature and philosophicalunderstdfnings of the self as particlar idniodidualsand as an abstract category.
10.it seems to me that religion needs detailed explanation in aworld in which idealogy,fundamentalism,secularism,notions of religiowsity and a lote else seem to move and change like tectonic plates,sometimes overlapping,colliding,contradicting.
11.i would also want to add here to the ingredients qan element which is both personal and socially shared.one of the ways in understood or rather undesratnd my own spiritual journey is in relacing describing my own development as away from religion,as organised and hierarchical to a spiritual path of individual discovery of gteh sacred aned divine.this is a concession to atheist and a marxist attitude to religion,which i considered both a wheeze and a discovery but in the end a failed resolution of setting faith aside doubt aside materialist politics.now i discover that many describe themselves followiong a spiritual path or journey rather than a religion,recognising that this in turn might be another expression of alienation in capitalist class society in whicdh we are oppressively individuated,and our interiors opened to exploitation.
12.n3ext i intend to describe an impressionistic thumbnail sketched view of the relationship of a number of marxists and their intellectual predeccessors before exploring some of the personal meanings for myself.
-to be continued-
lost
25/03/2011
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